Wednesday, October 31, 2007

Learning about the Reformation: Are Emergents Modern Quakers?

I am reading (parts of) an awesome book, The Complete Idiot's Guide to the Reformation & Protestantism. This is not a confession of idiocy. As a homeschooler we pride ourselves on knowing history, especially that pertaining to the Church. I heard of most of these people and events as a student in world history class, but this book is a much fuller treatment. I think the intervening studies of ecclesiology (you know, that prompting Changing Church) between high school and now has enabled me to grasp where the reformers stood, and what denominational traditions descended from whom.

Here is what I learned this morning:
  • Martin Luther fired up the reformation. He was mainly mad about abuses in the Catholic church, especially concerning indulgences. He affirmed salvation by faith alone, and sola Scriptura. However, Luther was not anti-Catholic, and retained many of the worship forms rejected by mainstream protestantism today.
  • John Calvin is remarkably human. Some present day denominations might consider this heresy, but I think I can see where he was coming from. Though I thought presbyterians were very Calvinist, the presbyterian style of church was actually begun by someone else:
  • John Knox, who established the Auld Kirk, Church of Scotland. I have been in a church run essentially on his model. The impact he had on Scotland, which I have always admired for their theology and conservatism, is huge.
  • Anabaptists were the 2-time baptizers not because they thought you had to be baptized twice, but because they didn't count the infant baptism almost everyone had experienced. They varied on other beliefs, but were traditionally more withdrawn from "outsiders", politics, and wars.

This last thing I learned so far is big. Quakers are strikingly reminiscent of the Emergent church movement today. From Idiot's Guide to the Reformation & Protestantism: "The foundational belief of the Quakers is that God gives the individual divine revelation. Each and every person may receive the word of God internally, and each should endeavor to receive that word and heed it... The Quakers rejected the formal creeds and regarded each worshiper of God as a vessel of divine revelation." Listen to a debate between, we'll say he's probably closest to a Calvinist, and an Emergent leader done by Way of the Master Radio.

I checked this book out from the library to reference for another post I will hopefully publish today. Stay tuned.

To God be all glory.

5 comments:

  1. I was wondering when exactly you wrote and worked if you keep commenting everywhere.

    In my experience most of the way-out-there teachers in "Christianity" "went out from us," (1 John 2:19). They started out sounding like mainstream Christian teachers, then their Bible interpretation slipped, then their practice. All of a sudden you have thousands of Christians watching the TV program, buying the book, attending the church, and oblivious to the false teaching that they're accepting without question. But I believe that even before they "went out," there were subversive aspects to their message. Too much focus on self, WAY too little on God.

    I have been terribly anxious, expecting at any moment to hear that Rick Warren has gone out from among us. His books and teachings and works just have that feel. And the emergent church all along has been worrisome.

    Plugging New Attitude here http://www.newattitude.org/index_2008.php. They are addressing the emergent trend to the generation that is embracing it. Humble Orthodoxy is what they call the biblical alternative. Keep the orthodox doctrines. Live them. And be humble about it. I really want to go to the conference next spring.
    To God be all glory,
    Lisa of Longbourn

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  2. Which is why we speak, hoping to bring them to repentance.

    Have you heard of any doing so? I read somewhere that Willow Creek was realizing their seeker-sensitive model wasn't working on the making disciples level, and they're reconfiguring. Anything else?
    To God be all glory,
    Lisa of Longbourn

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  3. Bummer. And I was trying to be positive.
    To God be all glory,
    Lisa of Longbourn

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  4. Bummer. And I was trying to be positive.
    To God be all glory,
    Lisa of Longbourn

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  5. Just read this article about Willow Creek: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/BobBurney/2007/10/30/a_shocking_%e2%80%9cconfession%e2%80%9d_from_willow_creek_community_church
    Bob Burney makes the same points as were covered here: research showed Willow Creek's seeker sensitive approach wasn't making disciples (at least that is their goal!), so they are starting over trying to start from scratch and invent a well-researched ok-with-the-Bible method. Yeah, I see the problem with that. They need to scrap all of man's ideas and read their own Bibles.

    Psalms 94:11-12, "The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity. Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;"

    To God be all glory,
    Lisa of Longbourn

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